i went with scouts group to go on this trail beside the grouse grind called baden powell trail i think, its soo much harder than grouse grind cuz there's barely any stairs, it's all rocks and branches and uneven crap aaalll over the place my ankles are so sore from all the uphill downhill for 4 hours .. we started at 11:30 and ended 4:30 with some breaks in between my legs are all sore now
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